Ep. 46 A Presidential Legacy: Discussing Life, Law and Heritage With Judge Andrew Jackson VI

History is filled with stories passed down through the generations. In this episode of Tennessee Court Talk, we sit down with Knox County General Sessions Court Judge Andrew Jackson IV. Judge Jackson shares insights into the workings of General Sessions Court, his personal journey, legal career, and captivating tales from his remarkable heritage. 

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Host
Welcome to Tennessee Court Talk. I'm your host, Nick Morgan, joined by our co-host and the newest member of the AOC's Communication Team, Jordan Alcorn. We're happy to have Jordan on our team and listeners will be hearing his voice and seeing his work across all our platforms. So first of all, Jordan, welcome to the team.

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Jordan Alcorn
Glad to be here.

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Host
On this episode of Tennessee Court Talk. We are excited to welcome Judge Andrew Jackson VI to the podcast. Judge Jackson has served as a General Sessions Judge in Knoxville, Tennessee since 2006. His legal career, however, spans much farther than that. He served 21 years as a prosecutor before being elected to the bench. On this episode, we'll be discussing Judge Jackson's legal career, growing up with a familiar name and the legacy that comes with being the great great great grandson to President Andrew Jackson.

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Host
Judge Jackson, welcome to Tennessee Court talk.

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Judge Jackson VI
Thank you. Nick and Jordan, it's a pleasure to be with you.

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Host
Judge, we've only ever recorded one episode talking about General Sessions Court, so I want to start there. Can you break down what General Sessions Court is and why it's important to the legal system?

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Judge Jackson VI
Well, General Sessions Court is usually the first court people go to. In criminal cases. So it's and often it's the only court people end up going to. So, oftentimes a the perception someone has of our judicial system is formed in sessions court. So in criminal cases, you know, you come there for preliminary hearing, on the matters or that can be worked out down in sessions court where most cases are resolved in sessions court.

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Judge Jackson VI
And that's part of the purpose is to, you know, try to resolve the, less serious matters, in sessions court serious being, you know, the level of criminal charge that's levied against someone and they've the more serious like the murders and aggravated robberies and aggravated rapes and those types of cases for criminal court. Or, of course, people are entitled to have the jury trial up there.

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Judge Jackson VI
And, that just a lot more time. So we try to kind of weed everything out we can in sessions court and, these and more serious matters to be resolved in criminal. We're not to say, of course, anyone's entitled to have a jury trial can take their case to criminal court. But, you know, most cases get resolved in sessions court.

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Host
What would you like for people to know more about the role of a General Sessions judge?

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Judge Jackson VI
Well, I think any judge, maybe more particularly in Sessions court is sessions court is less formal than circuit court. It has to be used in the volume of cases that we deal with it. Most people don't have attorney's, they don’t want attorneys. So we're sort of the the face people see when they come to court and represent what the judicial system means to them.

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Judge Jackson VI
So it's important for us as judges to keep that in mind. Now, I found that, you know, if you treat people, everybody with respect, they in turn will return that respect to you usually. Not always. Of course you have. You know, people that don't. But I think if you if people come to court, if they think they're being treated fairly, even times when they don't win, if they think you got a fair shot when they're in court, that gives them confidence in the judicial system.

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Judge Jackson VI
And I think that's what all judges need to strive to do is, you know, build up the confidence in the judicial system because, you know, poll after poll shows that more recently there's been a great decline in that. And that's I think that's bad for not just judicial system, but society as a whole. Because, you know, need a network of laws, to keep order, you know, in our society.

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Host
So you bring up a good point, talking about people don't necessarily want to hire a lawyer to go into court. They don't want a lawyer. Let's dig into that just a little bit. I think people are scared a lot of times, even going into sort of the the court of first resort, I think it's called a lot of times, you know, do you have to dress up?

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Host
Do you have to have a lawyer for General Sessions Court? What types of cases are we talking about? Are we talking about traffic tickets or are we talking about something more violent? Speak about that a little bit for me?

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Judge Jackson VI
Well, yes. Those are the types of cases we do. Traffic cases. Everything from, you know, not having a tag on your car to first degree murder we handle in sessions court. And so obviously should expect different outcomes on those cases. So, you know, these traffic cases, you know, they're going to come before the judge. And, that most will be a fine, in the murder cases, you know, those are going to end up in a preliminary hearing where they come and, you know, set forth their evidence to establish probable cause that will be sent up if they do that sent up to the grand jury and proceed from there and everywhere in

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Judge Jackson VI
between. So, We get everybody coming in to Sessions Court, range of people coming to Sessions Court. Because, you know, you have people that you maybe associate, with more of the criminal element, you know, people that repeat offenders and that type when Sessions court, you know, you have speeding tickets, anybody can get a speeding ticket.

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Judge Jackson VI
Sure. And so you get all kinds of people coming in the court. So you have people in court in three piece suit and have people come to court, or some of them actually make them leave the court because they're not even dressed to our minimal standards. So you just have a whole range of society in the court.

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Judge Jackson VI
It really is a melting pot of our society.

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Host
That's sort of what I was going to ask if, you know, say I get a traffic ticket that requires me to come to court or I want to come to court, if I show up in, you know, jeans and a polo, that's okay.

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Judge Jackson VI
Right. That's okay.

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Host
Count against.

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Judge Jackson VI
Me. No.

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Host
In my. Okay.

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Judge Jackson VI
No, we have a dress code. It's, I think, very lenient dress code. You can't wear shorts, flip flops, tank tops, things like that.

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Host
Yeah. And, you know, a lot of times with, especially with this podcast, we try to break down some of those barriers of people being scared. So when I talk to General Sessions judge, I try to make sure we hammer that home a little bit. Like, you don't have to be in a three piece suit to come state your case.

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Judge Jackson VI
No. And, very seldom do we see people, come into the court with suits on. I'm off now. Should have an attorney. I have a suit on because I said the direction of the attorney. But. And how you're dressed is not make a difference on the outcome of your case. As far as the judge is concerned. Now, whether in front of a jury that might impress the jury or not how you're dressed.

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Judge Jackson VI
I don't know. Sure. But as far as a judges know that that doesn't affect any of the judges thinking, I know they just you come to court, you know, state your case that they the state their case. If it comes to that far, like trafficking, especially those are worked out with the D.A. in the between the D.A. and the, person's is charged with the ticket and, the agreement announced to the judge.

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Judge Jackson VI
So, Yeah, but you do not need to be afraid or concerned about not being dressed well enough for court, as long as you're using common sense in what you wear.

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Host
I briefly mentioned part of your biography in the introduction, but you worked as a prosecutor and for the Attorney General's office. Explain how that experience led to you wanting to be elected to the bench.

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Judge Jackson VI
So I, I came to the Attorney General's office. I've been practicing. I was, in private practice for about three and a half years, got the opportunity to come work for the Knox County DA's office, and, started off, doing child sex abuse cases. But then I went to juvenile court for a little while. I was going to go back to criminal court, and, we had an opening sessions court.

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Judge Jackson VI
And unfortunately, on that the assistant D.A., was killed. Actually, it's right now there is a temporary matter. And how a lot of times, thanks to, you know, the temporary ends up not to be so temporary. Sure. And so I spent most of the rest of my career in the, the attorney general's office in sessions court and ended up, before I came.

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Judge Jackson VI
Judge, I was, sort of the in charge assistant for the sessions court in Knox County for the DA's office. So, of course, that gave you gave me a lot of insight into various courts and aspects of how the different cases are handled. And, so to me, it's just like the next step up to want to be judge.

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Judge Jackson VI
And I had that opportunity in 2006 and gratefully the citizens of Knox County agreed.

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Host
You know, a lot of appellate judges, even when they do their retention elections, don't campaign, in this kind of role, do you campaign is it worth campaigning?

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Judge Jackson VI
Well, when I first ran for judge, the first time, I campaigned because I had as opposition. So I had an opponent. Two opponents in the primary who had won the primary then had an opponent in the general election. Fortunately, after that, I have not had an opponent and therefore have not had to campaign. Gotcha. And one of my predecessors told me, she said, Andy, there's two ways to run an election.

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Judge Jackson VI
Scared silly and unopposed. And she said, I found unopposed better. And she was right.

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Host
So after 19 years on the bench, is there anything that stayed with you or that you would like to share that had an impact on people that come before you?

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Judge Jackson VI
I think, you know, the longer I'm on the benches, the more I realize that, everyone has a different story and it's you know, sessions court sometimes is difficult because you have so many cases coming in front of you so its you know, you need to try to find time to give everybody their individual attention because, you know, I talked earlier about, you know, serious cases.

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Judge Jackson VI
Sure. You have cases that society will consider more serious. You're usually involved in, you know, very vile acts, robberies, murders, rapes, things of that nature. But of course, if you're charged with a traffic ticket and you're in court, that's a serious charge for you. And so you just need to try to remember for these people that are in front of you, this is an important event in their life.

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Judge Jackson VI
So, you know, you don't know someone doesn't have the registration in the vehicle that's important to them. Even though, you know, an hour later you're going to be doing a hearing on a murder case. We've got to give that person the attention they deserve for their case. So when they leave here, they'll feel they were heard. The judge listened to them and they got a fair shake.

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Judge Jackson VI
And so I think as long as people do that, if they if they think they come to court, it's there going to be able to tell their side. And the judge jury is going to give their side consideration even if they don't win. And that's that's a good thing.

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Host
What has challenged you the most during your time on the bench?

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Judge Jackson VI
The thing is, I found most challenging as a judge. Isn't the courtroom stuff. It's the stuff outside the courtroom. And that's one thing you don't realize, really, before you become a judge is all the other stuff that goes on. So if you want to make a change in something in the courtroom, right, you can't just go this sign and order and say, this is the change.

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Judge Jackson VI
No, because you got the police department, you got the sheriff's department, you got the highway patrol, you got the wildlife resources, you got University of Tennessee police, you got the clerk's office, you got the mayor's office for funding. You have the IT department to take care of the computer stuff. Yeah. So so all these all these different stakeholders and the judicial system, and I don't think before I became a judge, I realized just how much that played a part in the court.

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Judge Jackson VI
You know, it's just not the judges or the lawyers in the court. There's a whole lot of other people involved in making, things go as smoothly as they do. So I think and that's so I think to me, the challenges, the greatest challenge is, is that the other one, I would say is, and this is becoming more and more of a problem.

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Judge Jackson VI
And I don't know why, but is the mentally ill. We have so many people in court that have, some kind of mental illness and our system is just not set up to handle that. We have so many people in jail that are in jail because they broke the law who have some reason, you know, a mental illness that makes it where they can't, and they can't conduct themselves the way a normal person would.

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Judge Jackson VI
And it's really not their fault. But we don't have a way of handle it sometimes. You know, the sheriff around here said the Knoxville County Jail is the biggest mental health hospital in Knox County. And I think in many ways she’s right. Yeah. That's that's a shame that, there's not more that is being done to help that we do actually have now mental health court, in Knox County, to try to help alleviate that.

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Judge Jackson VI
That's so that's, that's a that's a challenge.

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Host
Yeah. Those are becoming a lot more popular. I see the Supreme Court promoting them quite a bit.

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Judge Jackson VI
Yeah. Well its a good thing.

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Host
So I would be remiss, if we obviously didn't mention your legacy. You said that most people call you Andy. Yes, but your name is Andrew Jackson IV. And to talk more about your legacy, I'm going to let Jordan Alcorn take over and ask questions about the seventh President of the United States.

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Jordan Alcorn
What was it like growing up as the great great great grandson of President Andrew Jackson? And how old were you when you started to realize just how significant that that actually was?

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Judge Jackson VI
Well, of course, when I was young, you know, my father told me, you know, yeah, you know, we're related to Andrew Jackson and, you know, you're 6 or 7 years old or whatever. It doesn't mean much to you really. You know, and a little bit of family history. My father, his parents divorced when he was seven years old, and he never saw his father again.

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Judge Jackson VI
And so he was raised by his maternal grandfather, mainly. So there wasn’t a lot of Andrew Jackson stuff passed on and, stuff, I mean, not artifacts or material things, but just knowledge and things of that nature, passed down for that reason. And so Andrew Jackson wasn't that big of a thing in my house growing up. The first time I went on a field trip in eighth grade.

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Judge Jackson VI
And, you know, we go down to The Hermitage and, it's entirely different today, by the way, they made great improvements in the Hermitage. And so it wasn't really until I guess I got into high school, I started thinking about it more and, you know, reading about Andrew Jackson and, the things he did and became more involved.

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Judge Jackson VI
And then as I got older, the Hermitage actually reached out to us and, I became much more involved with the Hermitage, Andrew Jackson's legacy. And so my daughters have they've been more involved in Andrew Jackson's, history than maybe they want to sometimes. But, so but basically, you know, it's it's been, an advantage to me.

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Judge Jackson VI
I it's been enjoyable. It's got me it's open doors for me. I mean, I've been to the white House a couple of times. I was in the parade down the Broadway in New York. The had all the descendants of the President’s celebrating George Washington's 200th inauguration. So it's opened lots of doors. I met lots of people because of that.

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Judge Jackson VI
And, you know, I just need to keep in mind. I think I'll do that. It's a name. You know, and so I didn't do any of these things that he's famous for. I wasn't President, I wasn't a war hero. Any of that stuff, you know, I've it's neat. It's cool. I get pleasure out of it. But I try not to let it go to my head, which isn’t a concern, except sometimes the Hermitage is a bigger issue than it is now.

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Judge Jackson VI
But I tell people there I say me and Andrew Jackson, we're both lawyers. We both worked for the DA's office. We are both judges. He is a war hero and President, and I'm a judge.

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Host
So I do have to ask, what was it like going on a field trip and telling someone at the Hermitage what your name was?

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Judge Jackson VI
Well, I was 13 years old, and I didn't tell anybody. Okay. You know, the the people with me, of course they knew my name. Hey, you need to, you know, tell me. Your name is Andrew Jackson. Your name is Andrew. Yeah. This signed the register. Andrew Jackson IV. But, I didn't, you know, funny in high school.

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Judge Jackson VI
My nickname for some people was Stonewall, which of course is absolutely no.

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Host
Completely different person.

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Judge Jackson VI
Relation to Andrew Jackson. That's just how things are. You know, and I get people all the time there comes a yeah, I my family related to Andrew Jackson and it's very usually they’re not. But they say and I just say, you know that's great. But we're cousins because you know, then I don't want to point out that they're wrong.

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Judge Jackson VI
How does that help me any it makes them feel good and they may be.

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Jordan Alcorn
Interesting. So there are so many interesting stories from his life. Is there one specific one that sticks out to you as your favorite?

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Judge Jackson VI
I don't know, this is my favorite. It maybe my favorite one as far as being a judge, because Andrew Jackson was a judge and he's doing a case up in Jonesborough and, have this guy's last names Bean he's supposed to be in court and he's not there. So Jackson says, Sheriff, where's Bean is there? He's he's over in the the in the pub.

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Judge Jackson VI
You know what it he didn't want to come to court. He says, well, go get him. He's got to come to court. So the sheriff goes there and comes back. He didn't want to come judge. Well take some deputies over there and get him and bring him back. So he takes some deputies, goes over there still no. No. Bean said swear me in as a deputy.

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Judge Jackson VI
So Jackson goes over there. He said, Bean, you're going to come with me or my God, I'm going to shoot you dead. Where you stand. And so Bean just bowed his head and walked over there with Andrew Jackson, back to court, I asked him, I said, how come the sheriff came? You didn't go with him. He came. Deputies didn't care.

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Judge Jackson VI
And with him and Andrew Jackson came there and, you went with him. He said, well, I looked at him when he said, shoot. I saw shoot in his eyes. And I said Bean old boy, it's time to eat some humble pie. But I will say this, I do not get sworn in as a deputy and will bring miscreants back into court.

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Judge Jackson VI
That is the sheriff's job. And he does a fine job of it.

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Jordan Alcorn
Part of the folklore surrounding President Andrew Jackson was his involvement in duels to settle certain disputes. And I've heard that it's possible that he was in anywhere between 5 and 100 duels. Do you happen to know the actual number that he was involved in?

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Judge Jackson VI
No, no, I think that number probably comes through. Maybe in some duels being a sanket or some other thing is, is a primary duelist. He only shot one person. And he killed that person. A guy named Charles Dickinson. And he shot that after he had been shot. They have the duel. And they say fire and Mr. Dickinson fired first and shot Jackson in the chest.

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Judge Jackson VI
And Jackson then took aim and shot Mr. Dickinson. He died from his injuries. And Jackson kept that bullet in his chest for the rest of his life. But that's the only duel I know of where actually anyone was injured. Besides, Jackson, got involved in a bar fight in Nashville with Thomas Hart Benton. He became a Senator from Missouri later on, in which Jackson was shot once again in the arm and almost lost his arm.

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Judge Jackson VI
That was could not be classified as a duel. That was where Jackson had had a dispute in Jackson, a dispute over another duel in which Jackson had been a sanket. Thomas Hart Benton and the for the dualist against Thomas Hart Benton's brother, Jesse Benton, and so Thomas Hart Benton got angry at Andrew Jackson for that. And anyway, Jackson said, you know, I'll see you in town.

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Judge Jackson VI
I'm going to take my cane out and beat you with it. And so he saw him in this tavern, and he pulls out his cane. And goes to beat him with it, and he, Thomas Hart Benton shot him. So ended that, ended that fight. But those are only two I know of. Anyone was injured, so I don't know the number.

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Judge Jackson VI
I think most of those, as I said they did participate in, would have been for Jesse Hart Benton in that duel. He was a sanket to some other party. So yeah, that's about all I know about that.

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Jordan Alcorn
That's actually a good segway because my next question was about Benton. So despite their political rivalry culminating in a duel, if you can call it that, Benton later became a supporter and a key ally of President Jackson's in the Senate. Can you speak to President Jackson's willingness to not hold on to political grudges, despite tempers flaring to that level at a previous time?

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Judge Jackson VI
I'm not sure I classify it as a political dispute. It was. What happened was in the War of 1812, Jackson led his the troops down to, what is now Mississippi and Alabama, and they didn't fight. This is the first time they didn't fight. They got an order from the War Department to come back. So they came back and Jackson out of his own pocket, paid money for that and just dispersed your troops there.

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Judge Jackson VI
And he says, no, I took him down here. I'm bringing them back. And so he did. That's where he got picked up the nickname Old Hickory because he's letting six soldiers ride his horse. And so the man said, wait, you know, he's as tough his old Hickory. Sure, they get back, so he's gets Thomas Hart Benton, who's an officer under him to go to Washington to seek reimbursement for the expenses Jackson put forth to bring the troops back.

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Judge Jackson VI
And while he's gone, Jesse Hart Benton, who's also under Jackson's command, along with another officer, got some dispute and they have a duel. And Jackson was a sanket for Jesse Benton's opponent. And the where the when they said during the duel when thehy said fire. Evidently Jesse Benton turned or something and squatted somehow and anyway got shot in the rear end, which is very funny to the people around then.

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Judge Jackson VI
Kind of funny. Now, I think about it when Thomas Hart Benton got back with Jackson's money, he felt Jackson didn't act appropriately as far as being a sanket involved with two of his people under his command. And I think I think it was right. Jackson should have been trying to smooth things over and, you know, reconcile these two people instead of participating in a duel between two of his soldiers.

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Judge Jackson VI
And so that's for sure. That's what caused it. And then they had that, you know, duel, if you want to say, in the in the tavern. And Thomas Hart and Jesse said they had to leave town because, you know, Jackson's dogs will run them out of town or whatever. So they go to Missouri. So I always thought, I have nothing to back this up.

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Judge Jackson VI
Jackson saw or felt maybe he was not right in the way he handled that situation. And, so, yes, Thomas Hart Benton became a supporter of Jackson in the Senate and, but had the Nullification crisis, of uh which Jackson was President, with South Carolina. Jackson said, no, he's going to send the troops down to South Carolina.

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Judge Jackson VI
And if any one of them gets hurt, he's going to hang the first SOB he can find from the first tree he gets to. And a fellow Senator asks Thomas Hart Benton. Yeah. You know, is he serious when he says that stuff? He says let me tell you about Andrew Jackson when he starts talking about hanging in, you need to start looking for trees.

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Judge Jackson VI
So I think that,

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Judge Jackson VI
As Jackson got older, especially his, as many of us do, I guess he got a better grip on his anger. And he became apparent, I think, more and more that he began to lose his temper at the times that were best for him to lose his temper in other ways. He could keep his temper well in check. So I think, you know, he learned as he got older, and I think he used his temper more as a weapon than is an actual emotional outburst.

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Judge Jackson VI
Now, I think when he was younger, yes, he he would have those emotional outbursts.

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Jordan Alcorn
I was born for the storm and a calm does not suit me is a quote from Andrew Jackson, which is often referred to and befitting President Jackson's life. What is one word that you would use if you had to describe President Andrew Jackson? One word.

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Judge Jackson VI
Patriotic.

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Host
I think that's a great way to wrap this up. Jackson, it's been a pleasure. Thank you for your time on Tennessee Court Talk and your service to our state.

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Judge Jackson VI
Thank you Nick. Thank you Jordan, I appreciate meeting you and appreciate participating in this.

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Host
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